Its not really published anywhere in past years .....
And what power/authority presidency of WTBS represents these days?
Albert
its not really published anywhere in past years ...... and what power/authority presidency of wtbs represents these days?.
albert .
Its not really published anywhere in past years .....
And what power/authority presidency of WTBS represents these days?
Albert
... when you have a fine and fair discussion with a jw over some spiritual "jw controversy",.
he brings his facts, you bring your facts, .
your facts are beating his facts,.
Stay calm, polite and focused - even apologise if necessary! Then, bring the conversation back to the issues you had been discussing
Nicolaou - good point...!
the issue is not humility...how does that change the truth of a matter?
Isaac - very true...
Albert
... when you have a fine and fair discussion with a jw over some spiritual "jw controversy",.
he brings his facts, you bring your facts, .
your facts are beating his facts,.
Try only using questions, rather than telling them stuff.
Chris you are right, thats the way... I just need to be more humble to manage that ...
Albert
... when you have a fine and fair discussion with a jw over some spiritual "jw controversy",.
he brings his facts, you bring your facts, .
your facts are beating his facts,.
Stirkes me they have the problem with humility
Hotspur, you are right, but you cannot tell them... It would be like:
A: You are not humble!
B: No, Iam humble, but you are not humble!!!
A: NOOO!!! IIII aaaaammmmm HUMBLE! You are not humble!!!!
B: I am more humble, than you are!!!!(hitting A with a stick)
A: You damned bastard, Iam the most humble person in the world!!!! And thats what I like about myself the most !!!!!(hitting B wth a hammer)
..... as a board member of the local chapter of pflag.
(parents, family/friends of lesbians and gays).
i have been working with the board since june,.
Congratulation chickpea!
Its great when people get involved in something meaningful after leaving the cult!
Albert
... when you have a fine and fair discussion with a jw over some spiritual "jw controversy",.
he brings his facts, you bring your facts, .
your facts are beating his facts,.
... when you have a fine and fair discussion with a JW over some spiritual "JW controversy",
he brings his facts, you bring your facts,
your facts are beating his facts,
you make a final statement or raise a final question...
and he says:
"YOU ARE NOT HUMBLE!!!"
Its happening to me often lately, dont know how to handle this...
Confused Albert
there's a lot.. one rule that is dumb is that a brother must wear a suit for a sunday public talk that he is giving.
any other time, the brother could wear a suit coat with a different pair of pants and not be counseled for it.. another dumb idea is that you cannot date a person unless you seriously might marry them.
if you're on a date, you were supposed to always have a chaperone and holding hands might not be allowed as well as sitting together.. what other dumb rules and ideas can you add?.
Couple of days ago somebody posted here:
"When I was a JW, I was made to believe that as soon as wordly man and woman get to be alone, some affair gets started immediately... now Iam out and I work hard to get started somethinng ... and nothing is happening..."
Quite true...
Albert
i guess it only took three years, but they were hell in so many ways for both of us...she was not happy and lived in denial as much as possible...i was not happy and lived in a bottle as much as possible and glad that is over for me....but it was one of the saddest things i have ever experienced in my life....as was the visit to my parents before i told her....but yes...she said she kind of expected it...was thinking something was going to happen soon as she noticed i had more and more trouble saying i love you back to her when she said it on the phone at the end of goodbyes...and when i was leaving the house...i had noticed it for over a year and it was killing me..... i told her how sorry i was for changing so much again....and that she still walks on water...and is a great person and so pretty....and that she will be ok because she was happy single before me for many years and had all she needs for that again...her closeness to jehovah and her freinds in the congregation...she is very close to both and will be ok i hope...it was very surreal....very calm...very sad.
my bitterness and disdain for wt rules came through when talking to my parents and i was very open about how i feel as to their upcoming shunning of me, and how it feels to my son since he was just 17....and how the fear of losing them had kept me trying in my marriage for the past few years...dad was firm in his position of future action....mom said they will still always love me...and will still talk to me until i get dfd.....oh how this hurts.....dad said there is a name for people who only live for themselves and deny god but could not think of what it was....i told him i was not living just for myself...that i am a good person and there are values from him and the bible i hope i always have....i cry so hard as i type this and tell you just so you can know how painful this is....i told him i so loved the rule of treating others how you want to be treated and have always done that...even allowing myself to be wronged on so many occasions to keep peace....... he said that was a good rule....i agreed and said it was a big one too....and that while i could do it...treat him the way i would like to be treated...he would not be able to!.......left as i became emotional...big hug from mom, but i just barely put an arm on dad............oompa.
Oompa, stay strong...
Albert
... if she will prove me from the bible accuracy of 1914. and i stressed i really mean it.. we had one of the usual evening discussions and this was the result.. she said she is not ready for this and must do some preparation and aditional study (which is funny for somebody raised up in a hard-core jw family, baptized over 25 years, who spent over a decade in regular pioneering, reads wt for hours every week and have brought several people into jw cult...).
but ok, she pulled out several publications and is doing her preparation now and tonight we will have the discussion.. to motivate her i told her:.
1) if you will be succesfull i will go to preach to everybody in our street about 1914/607 during my pioneering.
Sacolton: you are right, thats why they stick to 1914 so fanaticaly...
Chickpea: Yes, good start is to get them to look around to se they are not as unique as they think they are...
Aude Sapere: I got involved in local humanist organization, we became fosterparents of an orphant in Kenya and I bring there my son to help... I wish my wife will get actively involved there as well...
TJ: Great idea, I will get some Heffner magazines tomorrow to impress my wife
Albert
there's a lot.. one rule that is dumb is that a brother must wear a suit for a sunday public talk that he is giving.
any other time, the brother could wear a suit coat with a different pair of pants and not be counseled for it.. another dumb idea is that you cannot date a person unless you seriously might marry them.
if you're on a date, you were supposed to always have a chaperone and holding hands might not be allowed as well as sitting together.. what other dumb rules and ideas can you add?.
Bethel rule:
If brother and sister, who are not married together, are in a room alone, the door must be left open.
(But thats logical and reasonable - becouse as soon as they would close the door, they would immediately get involved in fornication...)
Albert